Questions about removing parts on 93 to get carburetors off

[grumpy72]

It has been so hot in texas.105 everyday this next week so i havent worked on the motorcycle. I was advised removing the rear frame, gastank and airbox makes it easier to get to the carburetors. I need a new rear tire also. My question is the manual says to remove shocks,seats, gas tank and rear floorboards etc. And the mufflers. Not the exhausts but the mufflers I think. That sounds difficult. And I was wondering once the carb clamps are loosened and throttle cables slid out of their respective housings cant the carbs be removed by breaking them loose from the head and sling out the rear side of the bike?

[Nails]

Please search here. There are several posts about removing the carbs out the left side.

[GrandpaDenny]

Like Nails said, it's possible to take the carbs off after removing the airboxes without having to disassemble the whole bike. As for the rear tire, if you can lift the bike up high enough, you can drop the tire straight down without having to take apart the whole back of the bike - mufflers, saddlebags, right saddlebag frame is all. If I had a suitable place to work on her, that's what I would do - watched and helped a mechanic do it that way. Then I would take the tire and wheel to the shop via bus. Weekend before last it cost me $145 to have a $135 tire mounted. If I brought the tire in, it would have been $65, or even cheaper through a friend. Wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've taken on public transport, by far. I've taken mattresses and furniture on subways and busses. Then there's the stuff I've carried on Gertrude:

There's another amp, a pedalboard, and a guitar stand in the trunk.

Yes, that's an air conditioner.

[ekap1200]

this may be off subject Denny, BUT YOU NEED A TRAILER FOR THAT BIKE...

[grumpy72]

Nails out the LEFT side? Where do i search here? I am going to remove the rear frame temporarily.not because i want to . I know if I did that and the gas tank the carb and airbox access would be easier. But i am taking the rar frame loose because the right upper shock bolt has been broke off much shorter than stock. The shock bolt looks like it is usually capped off with about a 14mm acorn nut. It looks to be welded in place. Much easier to get it out and replace with the frame out. Here are my plans: i have removed saddlebags,trunk, saddlebag cages. Next out comes the radio, speakers. I want to take the original instrument panel and retain it. The fairing will likely go.its busted up. Hannigan went out of business. Or i would ask them to make one. There are 9 zillion wires under the fairing. I dont dare mess with them. The fairing pieces I have I want to bring in tighter, not a big sidewalkwith pockets. The mufflers with the big cones and 4 muffler tips on stock exhausts are cool but with no saddlebags they dont look right. I expect removing the mufflers is near impossible. But i have to have something that stops about midwheel. More of a lakepipe look not megaphone. The rear plastic inner fender and outer fender are gone. I will find an aftermarket that can be mounted. Shortstalk blinkers, stock rear tailight. The bracket that mounts the rear seat and trunk will be modified for just a rear seat.no button tuft upholstery. I want a sissybar that splits the sky. A cross welded in the design somewhere. I am a minister. So the cross is a silent witness thing. I know this is terrible for stock voyager owners. But its my bike.

[Nails]

Where do i search here?

Type "+carburetors +remove" (leave off the quotes)in the Search box, then start hunting for posts about removing them. I just unhooked everything from the carb assembly and worked them out. The boots are difficult -- probably easier if you remove at least one airbox as Gene mentioned.

Here are my plans

As I said months ago, good luck with these mods. As you say, it's your bike.

[grumpy72]

Thank you. I have owned 11 goldwings.never an 1800. 8 ventures.5 first gen and 3 second gen. One ultra classic, one royal star tour deluxe.the gutless 01 model. One valkyrie.it was the shortest route to lose one's drivers license. And about 50 cruisers. Every brand even bmw flying brick. Never owned a guzzi or triumph. I owned one rideable 81 kz 1000. A friend of mine and I were goung to cafe it. I hate " cafe" as its used today. I have seen someone "cafe" a 125 honda and a 1500 goldwing. In 1972 I owned a yamaha r5c. Those kinds of bikes were the original cafe racers. I imagine you heard of kenny roberts and his yamahas. They inspired cafe racer street bikes. I am 72. I dont tour anymore. I prefer a bike that weighs 600 or less. My bike will still probably weigh more.its all in center of gravity that makes the difference. I had an 04 heritage classic that weighed 735 but felt much lighter. But it was a twincam which are junk motors. I happily sold it and made a profit. I love harleys only because their invention in 1903 is the reason so many bikes and motorcycling in general even exist. My ooinion is the huge selection of parallel twins is the future.

[GrandpaDenny]

this may be off subject Denny, BUT YOU NEED A TRAILER FOR THAT BIKE...

Nah, all I need is a hitch. I have a friend with a trailer I can sneak by and steal. er, borrow...

I need to come over maybe this weekend, I broke a tap and need it extracted. Aren't you glad I take care of all the easy stuff so you don't have to?

[grumpy72]

I am trying to see what I need to remount the fairing. I have both intact with signal lights rgt and left upper fairing panels.some of the lower pieces are shattered.upper only and headlight plastic surround piece are fine. I cannot fabricate fairing pieces.stock with a shortened windshield will work. A piece I need for sure is the right inner fairing piece that has a pocket.the hoses front front and rear suspension go through it. Mine is shattered. There is one on ebay for $80. I hope to find one cheaper. Anyone have one? I live in texas.140 miles from dallas going south or 140 from ok city going north. I really want to get this thing going.the saddlebags and trunk are not going back on. One more question there are like 50 multicolored wires on each side of the upoer fairing.are those all for the audio system?

[GrandpaDenny]

Carl Leo - voyagerparts@bellsouth.net

[grumpy72]

Thank you. I took the rear frame off, and the gastank. The tank isnt bolted in.maybe it was supposed to be. The right ypper shock bolt had snapped off shorter than would allow for a bolt. Now i have to figure out how to get the bolt out and find a replacement. It looks like a bolt with a washer that is welded in place. Not enough bolt to hang a shock on.i will try to post some pictures. Some things i need help identifying.the airbox pulled out the left side. I can see how the carbs would also. The throttle cables do not looked broken as I was told. One comes straight to a carb and one goes into a box with one cable coming out hooked. To a carb.i assume thats the cruise control.the pictures are for someone to tell me what they are on the bike.i dont know how to put arrows or circles in.

[grumpy72]

Thank you. I took the rear frame off, and the gastank. The tank isnt bolted in.maybe it was supposed to be. The right ypper shock bolt had snapped off shorter than would allow for a bolt. Now i have to figure out how to get the bolt out and find a replacement. It looks like a bolt with a washer that is welded in place. Not enough bolt to hang a shock on.i will try to post some pictures. Some things i need help identifying.the airbox pulled out the left side. I can see how the carbs would also. The throttle cables do not looked broken as I was told. One comes straight to a carb and one goes into a box with one cable coming out hooked. To a carb.i assume thats the cruise control.the pictures are for someone to tell me what they are on the bike.i dont know how to put arrows or circles in.

[grumpy72]

[Chris Cochran]

I haven't read into taking the rear frame off, at all. When you do that, haven't you basically cut the bike in half? How difficult will it be to put it back together?

[grumpy72]

No not at all. I owned 8 yamaha ventures 83-93. They all have a removeable subframe.its held on to the main frame by 4 bolts the shocks bolt to it when its in place. Having it and the tank out of the way makes getting to the carbs easy

[Chris Cochran]

Has anybody got pics of theirs with this subframe removed?

[grumpy72]

No idea. You have to remove the trunk, the perch it sits on, both upper and lower shock nuts, the saddlebags, the shocks but leave airlines attached and lay on right side of bike.then 4 bolts hold subframe on.rhe rear fender comes out too. When the rear subframe bolts come out the rear tire and wheel drops down. If you had your bike on the centerstand which yoy should have, the rear tire will touch the ground.again. then unhook fuel lines and filter from gas tank. The subframe just surrounds the tank like a wishbone shape.pull frame out then lift the tank out. Then rear airbox is easily accessible. Once its boot springs are slid out it will break loose from carbs and slide out sideways. Then loosen the clamps holding carbs to the head.disconnect the choke cable.it comes from left handlebar all the way across to a housing on #4 carb. One throttle cable comes from the box that i guess cruise control is part of.the other cable comes from the housing by right handgrip and snakes around to a housing on a carb.looks like #3 or #4. I cant get that one off right now. Its nearly impossible to see where it attaches on the carb. I gave up.its 105 degrees outside.its obvious with the carbs broke loose from the head and rear airbox removed they easily slide out left side

[Chris Cochran]

Nope. Way too much of a headache for me. I'll fiddle with them until I can get them out the left side without the whole colonoscopy thing of removing all of that.

[grumpy72]

It is much easier to not do all i have done.BUT I had no choice. The right upper shock bolt was broken off so short a nut would barely have any threads to screw on to. It is some sort of welded in bolt. Taking the frame section in is easier for a shop than me rolling a nonrunning dissasembled bike onto a trailer and hauling it to them. And since that gives easier access to the airbox and carbs i said why not. But after wiggling the airbox out the left side it is easy to get the carbs out that side with the airbox out. My experience is overhauling 6 cylinder and v8 auto and truck engines. The waterpump on a 327 is very easy to get to. By comparison my catastrophe with my bike is like pulling the truck engine to replace the waterpump. I wouldnt do it if I had a choice.

[grumpy72]

Now is the time to replace rotten or not so good fuel lines.they are probably all metric