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I finally got the carbs off my 93. I did remove the rear frame but not for a carb issue. I have a broken shock bolt to get out somehow. So is my thinking right and this assumes i can successfully clean and fix the carbs- 1. Put carbs with mounting manifolds to heads.dont tighten clamps.shehorn airbox back in place, push onto back of carbs and irbox has one hose sort of thing that pushes onto waste tank.then somehow without losing my grace with the Lord get the springs back onto the boot grooves. Then tighten carb clamps, reconnect fuel and vacuum lines.
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grumpy72 wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:44 pmSo is my thinking right and this assumes i can successfully clean and fix the carbs
That's a tall order. This is Black Art stuff. I'd strongly suggest taking them to someone else. There are many posts here about clean and/or rebuilding carbs.

When you get them back, just reverse what you did to get them off. Avoid cowboying too hard on the boots because they can be pricey.
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I have a friend that did a goood job on a kz650 I used to own. I think if carl leo has rebuild kits, or buy an allballs kit then get this same guy to do these. I have never seen a more complicated mess of cables on a set of carbs. I owned 8 4 cylinder goldwings.one throttle and one choke cable.2 xj650s. One choke one throttle cable.3 cb650s. One choke one throttle cable. 3 vs 800s, vtwins, but one choke one throttle cable. I know their is one for accel one for decel. The cruise control also adds to the complexity. And I have read here guys saying their cruise doesnt work. The friend that has cleaned multiple ujm 4 cylinders is my plan for getting the carbs to the ready to. Remount atage. I dread trying to get the cables back on and properly tightened.
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Nails have you bought carb kits? From carl leo, all balls? I emailed carl.got no answer.
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Not into the kits. I just buy the parts I need, by PN.
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grumpy72 wrote: Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:32 pm Nails have you bought carb kits? From carl leo, all balls? I emailed carl.got no answer.
I just got an email from Carl, he's on the road. Be patient.
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Thank you Denny
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NAILS, I just sent you an email via this site.
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grumpy72 wrote: Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:53 pmPN?
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Nails explain the cable thing on these bikes. They start with 2 cables inside the plastic housing on the handlebars. Then one apparently goes into a rectangular box. A cable exits from it to what i think is #3 carb. The other cable goes from the handlebar, is routed around everything and then connects to #4 carb. The choke cable starts onleft handlebar,goes across the motor, has the round barrel end like the throttle cables and fits into a round holevon a mechanism that moves bt the choke lever. It appears to be connected to #4 carb. Is this right? The rectangular box must have something to do with the cruise control. I dont know why it would be connected to #3 and the other cable to # 4.
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Don't confuse the physical location of the cables with where they are connected. The throttles on the carbs are interconnected so they all open and close together. As for the choke cable, it is connected to a sliding rail. Look at the left side of the carbs, you will see the end of the rail bent down so it fits under the plunger of the enrichment, um, plunger.

As for the dual throttle arrangement, it is not unique to the VXII. It is common with CV carbs.
https://bikerestart.com/why-do-some-mot ... le-cables/

My Honda Shadow had two cables. IIRC my old Kawasaki LTD 500 had two throttle cables. Neither had cruise control. It has nothing to do with having cruise control. It's to assist the carbs' built-in return springs to close the butterflies. Slack off the return cable and rev the engine, watch what happens - chances are good it won't return to idle for a while.
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I can't explain it any better than the manual does.
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The manual doesnt explain it. It has a picture with arrows. Words accel, decel. Nothing about what connects where. Then one page shows which way to reinser the needle valves.
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The manual describes the junction box on pages 1-7 ("Cable, Wire, and Hose Routing") and 2-2 (an exploded view of the carburetor cancel switch &etc).

It's mentioned on pages 2-5 and 15-8.
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Thank you. I am taking them apart. I found why #4 was pouring gas out. One screw was missing from the carb top. I went to a local shop.they had several that matched perfectly. I still dont understand the rubber line that has a T and is connected to the carbs. The end of the T is open and the end of the line.are those vents? Thanks for page numbers
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Cable routing is on 1-12. Not 1-7.
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15:8 is a spec sheet in electricsl.15- 6,7 has some exploded drawings.
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grumpy72 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:26 am Cable routing is on 1-12. Not 1-7.
Yes, thank you. This information is in Chapter 1 of both the regular manual and the Supplement. 1-12 (regular manual) doesn't identify the junction box because cruise control wasn't available in 1986. All cruise control information is in the Supplement, which covers the multitude of enhancements starting in model year 2. The Supplement starts on page 277 of our 380-page PDF "manual". Page 1-7 of the Supplement shows the junction box.
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grumpy72 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:29 am 15:8 is a spec sheet in electricsl.15- 6,7 has some exploded drawings.
Yeppers, lots of good stuff in the Manual. That's always the best place to start.
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